“Chapel Perilous, that vortex where cosmological speculations, coincidences, and paranoia seem to multiply and then collapse, compelling belief or lunacy, wisdom or agnosticism.” ~Robert Anton Wilson


    Conan the Barbarian (the esoteric symbolism)

    Share
    avatar
    Lucid Memes
    Red Belt
    Red Belt

    Number of posts : 1111
    Registration date : 2009-02-12
    Location : Here Be Dragons

    Conan the Barbarian (the esoteric symbolism)

    Post by Lucid Memes on Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:13 pm

    I spoke with Gwap360 recently. we were discussing some of the symbolism of this movie. so i decided to post some of the ideas that came up during our discussion

    [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

    the beginning of the movie shows Conan's father creating a steel sword. pounding, heating, and hammering steel until it turns into a sword. the opening analogy is representative of Conan's coming life struggle. starting off as an insignificant nobody, and through many trials and tribulations, forges himself into a dangerous weapon. the transformation of steel into a sword is symbolic of Conan's transformation, from slave to eventually ruler of his own kingdom.

    [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

    Conan's father lays out the mythology surrounding "Crom" and "The Riddle of Steel"

    Crom is conan's god and god of the Cimmerians. he lives inside the earth and inside mountains.

    In the past, giants from inside the earth, stole steel from the god's. the god's backlashed against the giants, living steel on earth from which humanity learned to use.

    It was the task of a human warrior, that after death, they would have to face Crom and would be asked to answer "the riddle of steel." and if one fails to answer the riddle correctly, they would be cast out of Valhalla and cursed

    Robert E. Howard (author of the conan character) said that the Cimmerians were loosely based on ancient Celts and a few mythological characters from those legends. and Valhalla (the warrior afterlife) is taken from Norse mythology.


    Last edited by Lucid Memes on Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:36 am; edited 3 times in total
    avatar
    Lucid Memes
    Red Belt
    Red Belt

    Number of posts : 1111
    Registration date : 2009-02-12
    Location : Here Be Dragons

    Re: Conan the Barbarian (the esoteric symbolism)

    Post by Lucid Memes on Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:30 pm

    [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

    Thulsa Doom (James Earl Jones) is the bad guy of the movie. is the leader of a serpent cult and is endowed with various strange powers of controlling the minds of people.

    the director said on the DVD commentary, that Thulsa Doom with his dark skin, straight hair, and green eyes was supposed to represent a lost and forgotten race of people. the very opening of the movie, the narrator mentioned that this tale takes place after the destruction of atlantis and wrote the storyline so as his character came from there.

    [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

    Thusla Doom's serpent cult symbol

    Two serpents...probably representing two separate snake cult factions who are at odds...but are connected underground

    over a rising/setting sun...could represent the cultures both east (rising) and west (setting) and the serpent cult's control over them

    [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

    Conan was taught and trained by the war masters of the east. a gift for the best warriors of his day. east to west importation of science?


    Last edited by Lucid Memes on Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:37 am; edited 1 time in total
    avatar
    Lucid Memes
    Red Belt
    Red Belt

    Number of posts : 1111
    Registration date : 2009-02-12
    Location : Here Be Dragons

    Re: Conan the Barbarian (the esoteric symbolism)

    Post by Lucid Memes on Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:32 pm

    [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

    Conan get seduced by a beautiful women. and while having sex with her, she turns into a demon succubus and trying to kill him Evil or Very Mad . so he does what any barbarian would do in a situation like that. he throws her into the fire

    Gwap360 with his Kealey-esque interpretation points out this represents the Desdemona..."destroy demon women!"

    [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

    Conan stealing "the eye of the serpent" jewel from one of Thulsa Doom's temples

    the red stone, the philosopher's stone?


    Last edited by Lucid Memes on Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:38 am; edited 2 times in total
    avatar
    Lucid Memes
    Red Belt
    Red Belt

    Number of posts : 1111
    Registration date : 2009-02-12
    Location : Here Be Dragons

    Re: Conan the Barbarian (the esoteric symbolism)

    Post by Lucid Memes on Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:52 pm

    [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

    Conan gets captured and beaten by Thusla Doom's thugs. Doom is angered at Conan for stealing his stone. and before going to kill Conan, he offers him the answer to the Riddle of Steel

    "steel isn't strong boy, flesh is stronger."
    *thusla doom orders one of his servant to kill themselves and the servant does so instantly*
    "that is strength, boy! that is power! the strength and power of flesh. what is steal compared to the hand that wields it? look at the strength of your body, and the desire of your heart. i give you this!"

    what Thusla doom is talking about here, is not merely about swords, nor is it really just about flesh. he's talking about the spirit of control.

    there's something that the Samurai used to say..."the sword is an extension of the samurai's soul"
    it's what happens when the brain neurophysiologically adapts itself to treat an external object or tool, almost as if the tool was part of the user's body.
    it's like cybernetics of the nervous system with external objects, all controlled by the brain.

    So what Thusla Doom is saying, is basically, "yeah, Conan, you can master a sword...but i can master an army of sword masters! i am king, so beat that!"
    Doom's soul extends, not just to a mere tool...but an entire mass of people who are all united under his rule. like a group body with himself as the brain.

    think about the Brahmin's of India. they created an entire religion based on the idea that the caste system was the body of Brahma (god)...and the Brahmin ruling caste places themselves at the head.


    Last edited by Lucid Memes on Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:39 am; edited 2 times in total
    avatar
    Lucid Memes
    Red Belt
    Red Belt

    Number of posts : 1111
    Registration date : 2009-02-12
    Location : Here Be Dragons

    Re: Conan the Barbarian (the esoteric symbolism)

    Post by Lucid Memes on Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:20 pm

    [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

    Conan gets crucified on the tree of woe

    symbolic of the sun god crucifixion...where as the serpent (Thusla Doom) would be represented by the moon...the solar energy is present in Conan

    the sun's shadow doesn't move for 3 days on the winter solstice. so the sun god dies before it is resurrected...or seemingly, brought back to life

    [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

    semi conscious and bound, near death Conan is being suffocated by demons...see [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

    his love interest, the Valkyrie women saves his life on more than one occasion. she aids in the resurrection the fallen hero by fighting back the demons and nursing his sick body

    [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

    the valkrie asks, "do you want to live forever?" ...she gives him the power of resurrection and life

    [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

    Conan born again, now understands the answer to The Riddle of Steel

    later continues his own quest...not for small material gain, like the accumulation of steel...but a much greater project

    he wants to be king and ruler of his own kingdom! he will show Thusla Doom who's the boss


    Last edited by Lucid Memes on Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:40 am; edited 1 time in total
    avatar
    Lucid Memes
    Red Belt
    Red Belt

    Number of posts : 1111
    Registration date : 2009-02-12
    Location : Here Be Dragons

    Re: Conan the Barbarian (the esoteric symbolism)

    Post by Lucid Memes on Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:26 pm

    Conan kills Thusla Doom at the end by cutting off his head...how else do you kill a serpent?

    [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

    showing his head before his followers, "may ur god or gods go with ya" and tosses his head down the steps

    [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

    Conan...taking Doom's understanding of the Riddle, applies it to his life and becomes king at a later time
    ...controlling the minds of his own followers

    but that's another story


    Last edited by Lucid Memes on Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:23 am; edited 2 times in total

    warrenBbull
    Orange Belt
    Orange Belt

    Number of posts : 80
    Registration date : 2009-03-03

    Re: Conan the Barbarian (the esoteric symbolism)

    Post by warrenBbull on Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:39 pm

    "may ur god or gods go with ya"

    Alan watt says
    "May your god or your gods go with you". I wonder if he got that line from this movie?
    avatar
    Lucid Memes
    Red Belt
    Red Belt

    Number of posts : 1111
    Registration date : 2009-02-12
    Location : Here Be Dragons

    Re: Conan the Barbarian (the esoteric symbolism)

    Post by Lucid Memes on Fri Mar 06, 2009 2:12 am

    that's actually not from the movie. i just added it there for lolz


    _________________
    [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
    [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

    Sponsored content

    Re: Conan the Barbarian (the esoteric symbolism)

    Post by Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:53 pm