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    Post by Extant on Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:02 pm

    On the subject of the origins of purposes of freemasonry Kealey had the following email reply from the Grand Secretary of the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]:

    Glen,

    I must tell you that you are spot on when you conclude that the true and original form of Free Masonry was (and is) the first organised religion.

    You may find our website of interest to you. For good reasons, we only start the time line on the "Grand Lodges in England" webpage from the issuing of the Royal Charter at St Peter's at York (King Athelstane - AD 926).

    What we do not publish, is that this Charter gave royal assent to the Céile Dé Masonic Priest Architects to continue their activities, legally, in the face of considerable persecution, from Rome.

    The Céile Dé Priest Masons came from Celtic/Druidic, pre-Davidic roots.

    The Moderns form of freemasonry, as you probably already know, was a self-stared humanist breakaway (a corruption of the original) prompted by the Rosicrucians of the Enlightenment years. This hijacking of Free Masonry on behalf of Protestant Hanover, was planned and carried out as recently as 1723 (the Anderson Constitutions) in the back room of a London Pub (The Goose and Gridiron).

    It is this form of freemasonry that constitutes the mass membership form of the old religion, but it is not the true and original form of the Craft, and, as you know has been reduced to little more than a social club. However, the Moderns form of freemasonry was further developed (we would say corrupted) with the added Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, Weishaupt's Illuminati etc.

    I hope that you enjoy your visit to our website.

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    This seems genuine and has some intriguing information. This is the Grand Secretary from a picture at the Grand Lodge's website:

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    I emailed him myself after I emailed Kealey to confirm the French term Céile Dé Priest Masons. Clatworthy issued the following more reserved response. I think it's because Kealey can speak "mason."


    The Rosicrucian Moderns system of freemasonry, from Germany,
    claims to have been self-started in the tiny back room of a London
    pub on the 24th June 1717. It has no history whatsoever prior to
    this date, and in fact there are absolutely no records of the
    Grand Lodge of London prior to 1723. It not only does not claim
    prior existence, but denies the existence of Anglo-Saxon Free
    Masonry prior to this date.

    We know our roots which are pre-Davidic and comes down to us from
    the original form of Christianity via Celtic/Druidic traditions.

    We continue to ordain the Masonic Priesthood, as before. Without
    these Holy Orders there can be no true Free Masonry.

    I hope that this clarifies matters somewhat. A reference to our
    website: the Welcome Page and the chronological history of Grand
    Lodges in England will provide you with further information.

    We continue to meet at the York Minster, and other ecclesiatical
    premises throughout England.

    Peter

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    It seems that the Grand Lodge at York does not recognise the other specious fraternal Grand Lodges such as the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], the now traditionally accepted parent body of freemasonry. It's always interesting to note that the accepted beginnings of modern freemasonry is 1717. Seventeen being the number of Horus, and it has been said that the masons are the children of Horus, and/or light. Isis is the Church, Horus the doctrine, represented by masonry, the body of adepts.

    The Grand Lodge of All England deems it necessary to state in clear and unequivocal terms the Aims and Relationships of Craft Freemasonry consistently practised under its jurisdiction since time immemorial and to define the principles governing its relations with Grand Lodges with which it is in Amity:

    The Grand Lodge of All England promulgates the doctrine of brotherhood, a world-wide community of men, not constituting a state, but bound by Anglo-Saxon values of independence, equality, justice, freedom, liberty, and democracy under the constitution, encouraging the development of good character, right action and fair dealing.

    The Grand Lodge at York is a sovereign and independent Masonic body. It does not recognise or admit the existence of any superior Masonic authority, however styled.

    The Grand Lodge of All England retains jurisdiction over the degrees of: Apprentice; Fellow; Mark Mason; Passed Master; Installed Master; Ark Mason; and Grand High Priest; all degrees and orders being at all times considered integral to Craft Masonry.

    The Grand Lodge of All England at York warrants its Lodges to initiate candidates in the degrees of: Apprentice; Fellow; Mark Mason; Passed Master, Installed Master, and Ark Mason. The Holy Order of Grand High Priest may only be conferred in a St John's Lodge summoned for that purpose.

    Grand Lodge at York recognises all regularly made Fellows of the Craft irrespective of nationality, ethnic origin, political affiliation, religious observation or social background.

    The Grand Lodge of all England does not accept the bogus and un-Masonic doctrine known as "Grand Lodge Recognition".

    The Grand Lodge of All England, at York does not comment on the internal affairs of any other sovereign or independent regular Grand Lodge.

    The Grand Lodge at York has consistently refused to express any opinion on any question of domestic or foreign state policy, at home or overseas, unless it relates specifically to the liberty to freely practise Freemasonry. It will likewise never interfere on any question which may effect relationships between nations or sovereign states, government to government, or between political parties.

    The Grand Lodge of All England does not allow any Associations or Conferences of Freemasons to represent it in any way or to express any views which may be attributed to it. Nor does it participate in association or conference with any external organisation unless the membership of such organisations strictly conforms with the principles upon which the Grand Lodge at York is founded.


    Grand Lodge of All England at York will either withhold or withdraw from association with any Grand Lodge or any other body or association which does not concur wholeheartedly with these aims or is in violation of any agreement, warrant, charter, or certificate issued by or entered into by this Grand Lodge.

    Any attempt to link or associate The Grand Lodge of All England, also titled The Grand Lodge at York, the Ancient and Honourable Society and Fraternity of Freemasons meeting since time immemorial in the City of York with any individual, body, bodies, organisation, organisations, association or associations, whether Masonic or non-Masonic must be regarded as entirely false and possibly malicious unless supported by a written Treaty of Amity or Agreement ratified by The Grand Assembly of Masons at York or a Convocation of The Grand Lodge of All England, at York.

    Any deviation from or alteration to these principles will preclude the Grand Lodge at York from associating with any Grand Lodge. Grand Lodges seeking Amity with the Grand Lodge of All England at York must be able to demonstrate that they have consistently practised these established and unalterable principles.

    The Grand Lodge of All England at York is aware of the existence of bodies styling themselves as Freemasons which do not adhere to these principles. The Grand Lodge at York will consistently refrain from any relationships with such bodies which it does not regard as truly Masonic.

    The term Céile Dé means, amongst other things, 'the keepers of the flame.'

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    Whether the linguistic root of colquhoun is Old Norse (coill) or Irish (cuil, cul), we notice a common meaning: if coill refers to black wood or coal, the Scottish Gaelic roots cal, cul, or ceil implied something that protected, turned, or burned, often in association with fire, as in cuil-hil, turning wheel or cul-mhaire, wheelwright, cal, cail, ceill, to burn, also applied metaphorically in the Irish to the passions, ceili, ceill, cill, a round or fire tower, i.e. a place of devotion where the sacred fire always burned, cuilteach, a steeple, a fire house, ceil de, a preserver of the fires, i.e. a culdee, caileach, heat or passion of the mind; cal, lime, i.e. burnt stone( as in Calchou and Calchvynyd, the ancient names of Kelso), and calcam, to burn into lime; and culag, fuel, turf, peat. Thus we are inclined to think that Colquhoun originally designated a sacred narrow corner, which was guarded by black metaphorical "dogs", perhaps priests who practiced the "black art", making coal or working as blacksmiths.
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    Re: The Céile Dé Priest Masons

    Post by Lucid Memes on Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:38 pm

    ohh wow! bounce

    A lot of things are running through my head now. I'm gonna come back to this once I do a little more research

    Thanks Winston


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    Re: The Céile Dé Priest Masons

    Post by splinters on Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:07 am

    Would this be one of the parent organizations of all the fraternal orders?
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    Post by Extant on Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:24 am

    splinters wrote:Would this be one of the parent organizations of all the fraternal orders?

    It would seem that they are one of the oldest orders in modern freemasonry, but they are at loggerheads with the United Grand Lodge of England (UGLE) and neither recognises the other I believe. But this something I will be looking into further, his reply to Kealey has grabbed my attention. I've never heard of a modern freemason conceding that it is a religion. And the rest of the info has a pull on me as well.
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    Post by splinters on Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:51 am

    I've never heard of a modern freemason conceding that it is a religion.

    Perhaps he is a true initiate of the higher orders, not one of the guys stuck out on the porch.
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    Re: The Céile Dé Priest Masons

    Post by Extant on Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:59 am

    splinters wrote:
    I've never heard of a modern freemason conceding that it is a religion.

    Perhaps he is a true initiate of the higher orders, not one of the guys stuck out on the porch.

    To be honest, though I think that Kealey could be crazy he does have a lot of knowledge. I think he knew how to phrase a question to this freemason in such a way that he replied in the rather candid manner you see in the first reply I quoted, which was to Kealey.

    Now compare the reply he gave me when I asked about freemasonry as a religion and the Céile Dé Priest Masons. Not so forthcoming really. I think it was because I couldn't communicate to the guy in "mason speak".

    This is the email as published on the Conspiracy Theory Research List:


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    Re: The Céile Dé Priest Masons

    Post by Lucid Memes on Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:53 pm

    splinters wrote:
    I've never heard of a modern freemason conceding that it is a religion.

    Perhaps he is a true initiate of the higher orders, not one of the guys stuck out on the porch.

    I think they're purposely making it appear as if they're at odds, but I doubt they really are

    I think one of the reason they create a false opposition dynamic, is to put freemasonic recruits at ease about just joining a religion they know nothing about.

    I've looked at the recruiting pamphlets for the Rosicrucians before, and they repeat over and over again that they're not a religious group nor are they affiliated with any religion. But it's obvious that they are with all their rituals and ceremonies.

    I've also seen Freemasons say that they're not a religion...but which is actually a con when you think about it, because one of the requirements for Freemasonry is that you have to be part of one of the monotheistic religions before joining...so how could they not be a religion if that's a requirement lol?

    Anyway, this is all interesting...it gives new insight to the history of all this


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    Post by Extant on Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:59 pm

    This information intrigues me greatly. Those who practise the "black arts" and who could have been then coal miners or blacksmiths is very interesting. Strong speculative links through the etymology of the term céile dé to these Céile Dé Priest Masons he talks about.

    This has brought to mind, though the comparison is too easy, the film "Kingdom of Heaven" where Orlando Bloom's character is a blacksmith and his father, a knight, returns to take his son to fight in the third crusade, I can't remember if there was any real link between the father and the Templars who fought in that crusade against Saladin, but the link is strongly suggested to me. A Templar Knight seeking his masonic priest (blacksmith) son. Speculation sure, but an interesting one.
    So many pubs in the U.K. are called "The Mason's Arms" and show a muscular man banging on stone or an anvil. They are especially prevalent in Wales, a Celtic land true, whilst in England it's more like this:

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    I've been trying to find other Mason's Arms pub signs online but no cigar. Just picture the above with an anvil instead of a block of stone, and you're away.

    It's almost as if they're trying to tell you something...The old arm and hammer presides...

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    Post by Lucid Memes on Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:04 pm

    Things start to get very interesting around the name Cain

    Cain:
    elder son of Adam and Eve, from Heb. Qayin, lit. "created one," also "smith," from Sem. stem q-y-n "to form, to fashion." To raise Cain is first recorded 1840. Surnames McCain, McCann, etc., are a contraction of Ir. Mac Cathan "son of Cathan," from Celt. cathan, lit. "warrior," from cath "battle."

    Enoch:
    male proper name, in O.T. eldest son of Cain, father of Methuselah, from Heb. Hanokh, lit. "dedicated, consecrated," from hanakh "he dedicated," whence also Hanukkah.

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    The name Cain means to "smite" or "hit"...indicative of a blacksmith hammering metals

    Also in a association to building projects. Enoch, the son of Cain was said to have built the first city (city = civilization)...which would represent the basis of the system. (Cain can also be connected to Nimrod, the builder of the Tower of Babel, btw)

    Here's an interesting caller onto Watt's show a while back, talking about Cain and kings, check it out

    Now I think there's Eric in Nebraska called in. Are you there, Eric? Hello.

    Eric: Yes, I am. Alan?

    Alan: Go ahead.

    Eric: Alan, just a question a little bit off topic tonight, but I think you're the person who could help me. I've been trying to figure out how the very first kings got the job as being a king or the first ruler, I mean going back further back than the Egyptian times when they had Ra going back further than Sumeria. How did it all start where there was that key leadership position and do you have any idea about how that might have come about?

    Alan: The general theory they give in the universities is that an opposing tribe clash at certain times over food in times of scarcity and the biggest man in fact would be chosen to be a leader. He's more intimidating et cetera and during his little reign during the time of strife he would be looked up to for advice et cetera, and then, once the little skirmish was over, he got accustomed to having a little bit more than the rest and got accustomed to having all the goodies. That's what they claim anyway. However, there's an occultic side behind it as well because king comes from Cane, Kain and Kingu. It all comes from the same root word including Cane, also used to be the term for a ruler. The ruler that you use in school, it was made of cane you see, it was a measurement, so it goes back to a much ancient system of builders, again to do with measurement, rulership. You measure by using the ruler and you have a cane. It became king and Kingu. Tsar is another term that they used in the Middle East for it as well. It's an occultic language in fact going down through the millennia that still carries on today, which doesn't surprise me since you look at the same emblems that they use in the nobility of Europe, the same emblems that were used in coats of arms thousands of years ago. They try and say it was all brought up during the Middle Ages and they invented the coats of arms, but that's so far from the truth it's laughable. They've found coins from around 800 BC when coins came in with coats of arms of the particular kings and they were always predators. It's always a lion or an eagle or something like that because they were the predators. So I don't know if that helps you or not.

    Eric: But we are going back in pre-Egyptian times because the straw man theory wouldn't account for the intellect of the leader. It would only account for their strength and no one challenging them, but there had to be power.

    Alan: Even in those days they didn't need too much intellect. Physical strength was intimidating and once you had the leaders – and this is the key to all in history. Once you had the leaders, the big men in all the big tribes intermarrying with their daughters et cetera, then the whole process of inbreeding started and the priesthoods which were always there. In the old days it was shamans in one form or another that would keep track of who was breeding with who, until you get to the stage of Sumer and then later Egypt where they actually married their own sisters, they keep this particular quality in the family.

    Eric: Okay. Thank you very much.

    Alan: Okay. I mean it's tremendously interesting and even the kings and queens they've dug up from Sumer are very interesting because we find that they wore wigs of the people they ruled over, the black-haired wigs, but they themselves were blond or red-haired. That's an interesting little fact. If you go into the Egyptian tombs and look at even the aristocracy around the pharaohs, they were often painted with green or blue eyes and they found the black woven wigs made by the local people that they wore during the day when they were showing themselves to the public. There's a thing here that goes back even into Aryan times to do with the ancient blond people, almost albino that swept through areas of the northern parts of the Middle East and then eventually into India. They were very proud of being ultra white, almost albino and that's where the whole concept of the Aryan race came from. Hitler was fascinated by that, as was Goering and a few other ones and Himmler. They tried to trace the roots back to what they thought was the Aryan race, a people who were highly skilled in war, very aggressive, almost merciless in fact; and in the Old Testament you'll find they called them "Hurrians" at one point. In Greek they called them the 'troglodytes," those who lived within caves, within mountains, very pale skin; and the supposed tribe of Manasseh interbred with them to the north and became very warlike and fierce and even turned upon the people of Israel according to their legends.

    We’ll never know how much is truth or fiction or partly truth or myth. We do know that there were definitely a race of people who ruled over other peoples but did not interbred with the ones they ruled over, much the same as the European royalty. They never marry into the ordinary stock which they rule over. They only marry each other; and from the most ancient times up until really the 1600’s, we don't realize that in Europe when a king married a foreign queen, often the whole country was put down as her dowry and millions of people were handed over as property and all the land when they got together. That's what really happened, not so long ago, not so very long ago at all. Here we find, lo and behold, Professor Carroll Quigley in his book "The Anglo-American Establishment" telling us that the next system that's already coming in (it's already here) is a regurgitation of the feudal system with the top CEOs being the feudal overlords.

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    Now look at what Watt says when he recommends the Matrix trilogy

    The Matrix and Matrix 2 and 3
    Matrix (all of them) self-evident to the few, a good fast entertainment for the general population, and the real meaning of who's who for a very, very, small minority.

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    Who's who? does that have anything to do with names? Agent Smith perhaps?

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    The look and manner of Smith and his fellow Agents seem to be drawn from American pop culture. One influence appears to be the popular image of federal law enforcement agents as ruthlessly efficient automata who carry out their duties with cold precision and General American accents.

    All Agents are Caucasian males (with a minor exception of female Agent Pace from the Matrix Online game), which also provides a dynamic compared to the majority population of Zion, containing many diverse cultures and walks of life. Agents wear dark sunglasses with corners or smooth angles. The Agents show blandness and an apathy for the human race, with the exception of Smith's obsession with destroying Neo and his general hatred of humans.

    Other Agents have names like Brown, Johnson, and Thompson: common, innocuous, Anglo-Saxon names. It was mentioned in the Philosopher Commentary on the DVD collection that the names of Smith, Brown, and Johnson may be endemic to the system itself, demonstrating a very 'robotic' mindset on the part of the Machines.

    In addition, the name "Smith" is explicitly attributed (as "IS 5416" on the license plate of Smith's car in The Matrix Reloaded) to Isaiah 54:16 in the Old Testament:

    “"Behold, I have created the Smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy."”

    The license plate also bears the state slogan "New South Wales - Towards 2000" which is also symbolic of the Matrix being a recreation of "the pinnacle of (human) civilization" at the turn of the millennium.

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    Re: The Céile Dé Priest Masons

    Post by Phoenix778m on Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:29 pm

    I've read in a masonic handbook that Cowan is another term for uninitiated/profane(In the dark?) Also Kaiwan is the name of Saturn in Persian. The Kiwanis club doesn't know where it gets it's name? Circle K? Kronus? The KEY club? Hmmmm...
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    Post by Extant on Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:56 pm

    Here are some pictures of the variant of the equally ubiquitous pub name as the Masons Arms in the U.K., the Smith's Arms:

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    I'm looking online for more of these pictures to compare, but I can tell after going into many pubs around the country Wink these pubs are everywhere. Just Google Masons Arms and Smiths Arms. And the similarity between the pub signs is striking. They are almost entirely interchangeable. I can recall some signs with both Smith and Mason, together.

    This suggests a lot to me.

    The arm and hammer means a lot, eh?

    The stained glass window of the Fabian Society, U.K. The world's oldest think tank:

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    Post by Lucid Memes on Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:20 pm

    Hey Winston...in regards to your sig pic

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    Post by Extant on Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:26 pm

    Preston wrote:Hey Winston...in regards to your sig pic

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    lol! You have found me out. The ruse is up. I am Smith. And I'm here to make you all Smith. tongue

    I duz it all for teh lulz.

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    Post by missingyoumadly on Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:29 pm

    *sigh* I love this forum.

    Nothing intelligent to add, but I have learned a lot from this thread...nice work, boys! Smile
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    Post by NoDoz on Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:06 pm

    just to add
    That Mason contacted Glen by email the other day. (the email you posted) Glen is currently waiting for that guy to send him a letter via mail, so he can verify if this guy is legit. The guy said it is no problem and is sending him his info.
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    Re: The Céile Dé Priest Masons

    Post by splinters on Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:29 am

    The license plate also bears the state slogan "New South Wales - Towards 2000" which is also symbolic of the Matrix being a recreation of "the pinnacle of (human) civilization" at the turn of the millennium.

    The movie was filmed in Sydney Australia, with NSW being the state it was filmed in.
    Aus license plates often use slogans and these slogans are upgraded regularly.

    So as for the slogan "New South Wales - Towards 2000" its not some secret matrix reference, I believe it to be another happenstance thing. The directors of the Matrix didn't erase all Aus references when they were making the movie. In one scene Neo walks past the "commonwealth bank of australia"


    The fabian society have used at times a tortoise or turtle as one of their symbols. Interestingly enough this socialist symbol is also used by Australia's "young liberal party" (the equivalent of USA youth republicans/conservatives). How odd Australias young liberal party endorsing the symbol of its polar opposite!
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    Post by Lucid Memes on Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:38 pm

    I guess who ever edited that wiki page read too much into that NSW license plate

    Here's an image of the good quote though

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    Post by Extant on Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:15 pm

    splinters wrote:The fabian society have used at times a tortoise or turtle as one of their symbols.

    Yes, interesting that they're using that tortoise now, a reference to Aesop's Fable, "The Tortoise and the Hare".

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    "When I strike, I strike hard."

    More references to striking? An allusion to hammers, masons, and blacksmiths?
    The stained glass window was never their logo, though it contained the infamous wolf in sheep's clothing:

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    That image is right above the anvil with the globe being hammered into shape:

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    And the wolf and sheep are black and white, so more mason duality coding. With a red socialist/communist flag.
    This is all highly suggestive to me, too many synchs here to be just synchs.

    Here is the story from the BBC about the loss and recovery of that stained glass window:

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    Re: The Céile Dé Priest Masons

    Post by Lucid Memes on Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:49 pm

    Thanks Winston for that last link Winston. It's very informative in explaining the reason for the Fabian Turtle

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    British Prime Minister Tony Blair, who is a member of the Fabian Society


    The Fabians originally were an elite group of intellectuals who formed a semi-secret society for the purpose of bringing socialism to the world. Whereas Communists wanted to establish socialism quickly through violence and revolution, the Fabians preferred to do it slowly through propaganda and legislation. The word socialism was not to be used. Instead, they would speak of benefits for the people such as welfare, medical care, higher wages, and better working conditions. In this way, they planned to accomplish their objective without bloodshed and even without serious opposition. They scorned the Communists, not because they disliked their goals, but because they disagreed with their methods. To emphasize the importance of gradualism, they adopted the turtle as the symbol of their movement. The three most prominent leaders in the early days were Sidney and Beatrice Webb and George Bernard Shaw. [2] A stained-glass window from the Beatrice Webb House in Surrey, England is especially enlightening. Across the top appears the last line from Omar Khayyam:

    Dear love, couldst thou and I with fate conspire
    To grasp this sorry scheme of things entire,
    Would we not shatter it to bits, and then
    Remould it nearer to the heart's desire!

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    The Fabians don't like communism...check out Tony Blair's letter to Isaiah Berlin


    10 Downing Street
    23 October 1997


    Dear Isaiah

    I very much enjoyed your interview with Steven Lukes in Prospect this month. I hope you don’t mind me following up with a letter asking your thoughts.

    The brief discussion in the interview of the relationship between your two concepts of liberty is, I think, illuminating. The limitations of negative liberty are what have motivated generations of people to work for positive liberty, whatever its depradations [sic] in the Soviet model. That determination to go beyond laissez-faire continues to motivate people today. And it is in that context that I would be interested in your views on the future of the Left.

    You seem to be saying in the interview that because traditional socialism no longer exists, there is no Left. But surely the Left over the last 200 years has been based on a value system, predating the Soviet model and living on beyond it. As you say, the origins of the Left lie in opposition to arbitrary authority, intolerance and hierarchy. The values remain as strong as ever, but no longer have a ready made vehicle to take them forward. That seems to me to be today’s challenge. Political economy has been transformed over the last 25 years, and it is here that there is a great deal of work to be done. But there remains action, too, to devolve political power and to build a more egalitarian community.

    So reconstruction, yes, but the end no!

    I would be interested in your further views on the current situation, its historical place and significance, and the prospects for renewal.

    All good wishes.

    yours ever

    Tony Blair

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    Re: The Céile Dé Priest Masons

    Post by Extant on Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:05 pm

    Preston wrote:The Fabians don't like communism...check out Tony Blair's letter to Isaiah Berlin

    The Fabians don't like communism? I would say not. This is still something I agree with Watt on: socialism is communism's more acceptable face. Think of the wolf in sheep's clothing and the intent in gradualism. Living in the U.K. I can say that the authorities are becoming more oppressive and controlling in a Soviet manner all the time.

    We are so close to a totalitarian society it's frightening. And Orwell was warning against such a fascistic/communistic regime. There is not as lot to choose between them. Whether we get there gradually, or with short, sharp shocks it's the same result in the end. And the short, sharp shocks may be just around the corner.

    EDIT: I mean the propaganda and legislation here is full on now. Kind of contradicts what was written in the statement you quoted. Though I understand the distinction you're making.
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    Re: The Céile Dé Priest Masons

    Post by Lucid Memes on Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:27 pm

    If the end goal is a new system which allows the elites to rule the whole world (instead of regions at a time) more efficiently, then any of the well known economic/political systems is a road to that path. Communism, socialism, capitalism...all roads point to the same direction...like psychopathic dynastic siblings fighting their way to the throne. Its the same story of old, but just more complex and on a larger scale.


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    Re: The Céile Dé Priest Masons

    Post by Extant on Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:20 pm

    O.K. To get things back on track, as I've been speculating too much, links and analysis of the term Céile Dé, or Culdees.

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    A word so frequently met with in histories of the medieval Churches of Ireland and Scotland, and so variously understood and applied, that a well-informed writer (Reeves) describes it as the best-abused word in Scotic church-history. The etymology of the term, the persons designated by it, their origin, their doctrines, the rule or rules under which they lived, the limits of their authority and privileges have all been matters of controversy; and on these questions much learning and ability has been shown, and not a little partizan zeal. In the Irish language the word was written Ceile-De, meaning companion, or even spouse, of God, with the Latin equivalent in the plural, Colidei, anglicized into Culdees; in Scotland it was often written Kelidei. All admit that, in the beginning at all events, the Culdees were separated from the mass of the faithful, that their lives were devoted to religion, and that they lived in community. But the Scotch writers, unwilling to trace the name to an Irish source, prefer to derive it from "cultores Dei", worshippers of God, or from cuil, a shelter, or from kil, a church. The Irish derivation, however, is the easiest and the most natural, and the one now generally accepted. From Ceile-De the transition is easy to Colideus and Culdee; and in the Irish annals the epithet Ceile-De is appropriately given to St. John, one of the twelve Apostles, to a missioner from abroad whose coming to Ireland is recorded in the Four Masters at the year 806, and to Aengus (q.v.), the well-known monk and author of Tallaght, whose penances and mortifications, whose humility, piety, and religious zeal, would specially mark him out as the companion of God.

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    [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] it was "client of God".

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    As to the origin of the word, Reeves might well remark in his notes on Columba's Life, "Culdee is the most abused term in Scotic church history." As the Ceile De, the Four Masters mentions them in 806. Todd writes of them thus--"The earliest Christian missionaries found the native religion extinct, and themselves took the name of Culdees from inhabiting the Druids' empty cells." Jamieson styles them Culdees or Keldees, Kyldees, Kylledei. O'Brien has them the Irish Ceile De, servant of God. Another call them Clann Dia, Children of God. Barber considered them Mithraists.

    Higgins, in Celtic Druids, will have Culdees only changed Druids, and regarded the Irish hereditary Abbots of Iona, the Coarbs or Curbs, as simply Corybantes. Latin writers knew them as Colidei or God-worshippers. Bishop Nicholson thought them Cool Dubh, from their black hoods. As C and G are commutable letters in Irish, we have Giolla De, Servant of God. The word Culdee was used by Boece in 1526. Dr. Reeves, in the Irish Academy, calls the Servus Dei by the Celtic Celi-Dé, and notes the name Ceile-n-De applied to the Sligo Friars in the Four Masters, 1595. Monks were reputed Keledei in the thirteenth century. Brockham's Lexicon finds regulars and seculars called so in the ninth century.

    The Four Masters record that "Maenach, a Celae-Dé, came across the sea westward to establish laws in Ireland." In the poem of Moelruein, it is the Rule of the Celae-n-dé. The Keledei of Scotland, according to Dr. Reeves, had the same discipline as the Irish Colidei. One Collideus of the Armagh church died in 1574. One Celi-dé of Clonmacnois, dying in 1059, left several sons, who became Abbots after him.
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    Re: The Céile Dé Priest Masons

    Post by intrepidpixie on Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:51 am

    Hmm...Kealey talks a lot about coal, the coal seams and basement rocks:

    IN THIS BASEMENT ROCK I SHALL BUILD MY END TIMES CHURCH

    Soon after the birth of Achilles, Thetis tried to outwit the Fates,
    who had foretold that war would cut down her son in his prime. So that no weapon might ever wound him, she dipped her baby in the coal blackwaters of the Styx, the river that flowed around the underworld.
    Only the heel by which she held him was untouched by the magic waters, and this was the only part of his body that could be wounded. This is the source of the expression Achilles' heel, meaning a vulnerable point.


    What is he trying to say?
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    Re: The Céile Dé Priest Masons

    Post by Extant on Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:49 am

    Terry Melanson included this on Outlaw Forum when I started a Céile Dé post there:

    Quibus_Licet wrote:There's some info on the Culdee in Naudon - The Secret History of Freemasonry - Its Origins and Connection to the Knights Templar:
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    Naudon's book is the best historical study on the veracity of the legends about the ultimate origins of Freemasonry. He basically says the transmission is this: Roman collegia > Culdees > Benedictine monks > monastic associations > brotherhoods > guilds

    There's a small tidbit you posted from the Catholic encyclopedia that said: "in the Irish annals the epithet Ceile-De is appropriately given to St. John ..."

    That's an important observation for the fact that St. John is basically the Patron Saint of Freemasonry. One should familiarize themselves with the research [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], and then follow some leads, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

    Ciggy maintains that the Rosicrucians predate the Céile Dé slightly, as a result of John Dee's Klatch & Bacon's Royal Society being precursors. I have to check on this.
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    Re: The Céile Dé Priest Masons

    Post by Extant on Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:49 pm

    I'm getting onto this book ASAP:

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    This is supposedly a book of the Céile Dé (or Culdees). The main site responsible for the book:

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    Excerpt from the front page:

    A Brief History of the Culdians

    The old Culdians, or Culdees as they were first known, were part of the British or Keltic Christian community, prior to its romanisation under Augustine, after which it suffered severely through persecution and suppression.  However, it survived to a greater or lesser degree until the great persecutions of the late Middle Ages, when the flame was finally extinguished, only a few sparks surviving to kindle the present revival.

    It was thought that because of its obviously ancient roots the word 'Culdian' was derived from "Chaldean" through 'Culdee'.  This is not so; 'Culdian' is derived from 'Kailedy' through 'Culdee'.  The word 'Kailedy' (or Kailedi) originated with the early Christians who came to Britain in 37AD led by Joseph of Arimathea and means 'wise strangers'. However, it should be noted that the Keltic word 'Culdee' could also be translated as 'Servant of God'.

    The Old Culdians were never numerous after the original persecutions and were loosely organised.  The fact that they were itinerant craftsmen helped considerably as they could maintain a considerable degree of individual freedom.  However, during the latter part of the thirteenth century a John Culdy of Bardsea founded a more settled community in Scotland.  It has been assumed that this John Culdy founded the Culdians and that they derived their name from him.  But the fact is that John Culdy was an assumed name, derived from 'Culdee', and was a name used by his successors as well.

    The last head of the Old Culdians was Nathaniel Smith, martyred at the beginning of the seventeenth century and with his death the Old Culdians ceased to exist in a cohesive form, though steps were taken to preserve the secret spiritual lore known as Culdicraft.

    The Culdians were revived in New Zealand in 1980,  following a metaphysical revelatory experience by a group of people near Thames on the Coromandel Peninsula. It was made clear to them that while the revived Culdians would carry on the basic tenets of the Culdee Church.  There is a natural affinity between the Culdees of old and the modern Culdians and what may be termed the 'lost lore' is gradually being bought to light.  Culdians can be regarded as the successors of the ancient Culdees and there is a strong Keltic flavour to their work and symbology.

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